How does she even believe the things she's typing? :( I don't get it. Does she think that kinky folks are incapable of keeping their sex lives at home?

On that note, if she's thinking about chatter between coworkers, then does that mean any talk at work of anything having to do with sex is sexual harassment?

She really crossed t he line there. Obviously, ND has never heard of BLACKMAIL, or VENDETTAS, or other such things where a person who had never mentioned their sex life and work could be in danger of loosing their jobs should their affection for BDSM be known.

I asked her what other sorts of people should not be able to breed either, too.

I'd rather have a kid raised by sexually tolerant people who believed in choice and free will who were into BDSM than one raised by officious assholes who did not believe in such things and attempted to shame those whom did not comply.

Fucking hell, I am annoyed. My day was shitty to start with. This is making it JUST EVEN BETTER!

From later in that thread:

Kids are nosy, and I knew where every “secret” thing in my parents’ room was when I was 6.

Now I'm probably reading too much into this, but did her parents ever try to tell her that she shouldn't be snooping in other their room, looking for "secret" things that are none of her business?

Um...so how come most of the asshats during the actual sexual harassment tend to be repressed white Xtian dudes? Whereas seems to me you can't tell who's into BDSM unless you bring it up and ask them.

Whatever you're into, it's being an asshole that makes you an asshole. Dur. I'd rather work with a BDSMer who wasn't a selfish narcissist asshole than some...okay, fuck it. Does she/he think that people prance around in leather chaps and shit all the damned time?

Wheneever I've posted it's been deleted, so I'm not bothing at the moment.

>Talking about sex at work isn’t cool, whether you’re straight, gay, into BDSM, or celibate. It’s just not appropriate.

Uh, why? Because people might get uncomfortable, especially people with sexual hangups. People have all kinds of hangups - about politics, religion, you name it. Grow up lady and quit pretending that the world exists to make you comfortable. OR, let ME be the one the world exists to make comfortable. I have the right to insist on anything you do.

>And to be honest, if I were a parent, I’d be concerned if my child’s other parent were into BDSM because I wouldn’t want my child exposed to it.

Uh, exposed to what exactly? Is she saying that she's planning to "expose" her prospective children to everything she does?

>It’s absolutely ridiculous to think you ought to have the right to normalize that kind of behavior in front of children who haven’t got the critical thinking abilities to understand what’s going on.

Uh, no. I mean children are raised to endure all kinds of social, political and religious babblings without having the critical thinking abilities to understand them.

>I have, whatever you guys want to claim to the contrary, read women’s writings about being upset and frightened by the treatment they receive.

I have read mens and womens writing about being upset by all kinds of treatment they've receieved. Sometimes I think they are idiots and sometime they have a point. However, one size does not fit all. Get used to it. Some people loved gym class camp and some people hated it. Does that mean the we should abolish gym because some people didn't like the treatment they received?

Hi Trinity. I followed you to your journal here when I found that discussion you're linking, since I was curious to know if you'd posted anything on the topic here as well. (I hope that doesn't seem creepy; you just seem to be everywhere I've been reading lately, and you've been saying things I found very interesting - and sometimes relieving - to read.)

This might be a little silly...but I wanted to address the issue of how someone ends up spanking their cat. Because that was brought up earlier in the thread, and you seemed to be bothered by that. Since you're not, you know, crazy as fuck (I once swore to myself that I'd never get emotionally engaged in a conversation with Delphyne again, and that was after the first time I ever spoke with her)...that bothered me a little.

See, I had this cat. The one in my icon, actually - his name was Callisto. He also liked to be spanked on his sacrum, much like that other poster described. (Don't know if you've ever owned cats, but it's a sensitive/pleasure spot on every cat I've ever owned. I've got another cat who can't STAND to be touched there, and she'll bite you if you try.)

The way you find that sort of thing out is how you find out all the OTHER things you learn about your pets. Like what food they like, if they hate having their ears touched, when they're unhappy or cold, etc. You just observe them, and experiment slightly to see what they like. You observe their body language and vocalizations.

(And I'll point out here that I'm about to pretend that purring is simply a sign of happiness. That's not true, but if I got into all the particulars of how to tell what a cat is feeling, this comment would be twice as long. And it's already long for the topic.)

This cat, he came into our house as a kitten and we raised him on soft petting, like you'd do to all cats. He grew into this massive thing (not really fat, just really, really BIG) who seemed to like it rough. Like, you could pet him and he'd purr. Scratch, he'd purr harder. Give him little love pats, and he'd rub against you. Pat a little harder, and he'd purr really loudly, bodycheck your leg...etc.

Sooner or later, my whole family discovered we could smack him hard enough for it to make a "slapping" sound, and yet, if you stopped, he'd look disappointed. ("But why are the pats gone?!") If he wanted it to stop, he generally made this clear with a pointed Look, and then walked away. I don't believe any of us ever hit him hard enough to damage anything. He got regular check-ups; and until he developed liver disease, he was perfectly healthy.

Of course, we probably experimented a little more with how hard we could pat him than we would with other cats because we knew he was sort of insensitive. (Like, you could pour water over him and he'd just stand there for several seconds before realizing, Hey! I'm wet! Or he'd walk around with food on his face and not know it.) We were a little less concerned with hurting him than we have been with the 6 other cats we own/have owned. We could "rough play" with him much like you would a dog.

I live with my mother and sister. Can't speak for my sister, but I'm 100% positive my mother is NOT a sadist. She practically faints over fuzzy handcuffs.


Debating now whether or not I should post this over there. I'm sure the other poster adores her cat as much as I adore mine. The way I feel about my kitties is as pure as it gets - I wouldn't harm them for anything in the world. But it's really far up the thread at this point, so probably not worth it.

I'll stop comparing her arguments to homophobia when she stops cribbing them from Anita Bryant and Donald Wildmon, and not a moment before.

If the sheet fits, wear it.

I'm amazed at the number of times she's said "It's not like homophobia!" mere sentences before trotting out some classic homophobic trope twisted slightly to be about BDSM.

"And done with this person, I think. That kind of cruelty doesn't come from people who are worth talking to."

oh thank God. I mean, seriously, yeah, she...is your basic waste of pixels if not oxygen, I've thought from way back. she's like a cut-rate Twisty only straight and stupid. I mean...yeah, as a public service, good to know who NOT to trust with any sort of personal information, like, ever (who knows what the hell else she decides you -deserve- in her wisdom?) but I mean, yeah, jeezus, I mean there's masochism and then there's MASOCHISM. i just can't even read that particular bullshit anymore. haven't weaned myself off -all- the gratuitous bullshit ("but Doc, it feels so good when I stop") but it's a start.

"the fuckwits will always be with us."

And now I would be horrible and mean to compare radical feminism to reactionary puritanism, because *those are only very rare exceptions* and it's terribly *unfair* to *generalise* and so on, and so forth.

Yuck.

She just came on over to my place to tell me how "heinous" my "suck my strap on in hell" tag was...because, you know, it is so much worse that "kill yourself" and ranting on about how kinky people deserve to be fired and have parental rights terminated and shit like that.

Fucking hell. The nerve.

It's really, REALLY pissing me off how Nine Deuce is now saying that of COURSE she didn't mean to say that kinky people should lose their jobs. It's only what she said in so many words! How DARE anyone interpret it that way!

It's the "kill themselves" comment all over again.